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I was also viewing the term as "fictional character."

Yes. People from books are true characters. Living people are just piles of meat imitating them... While people are not characters but animals, their image of themselves, their identity, is.

And don't get me wrong, my headmates and I are the same physical human being, but we're just that, human

9:03 PM

Felix, that's a pretty unfortunate way to look at life

why is it unfortunate?

Yuka

Felix, that's a pretty unfortunate way to look at life

I disagree

So what other word would you use to encompass the experiential aspect of any apparently distinct personality? this is just a semantics problem, if you only define the word differently. What Sora said still stands true across anybody who cares to apply it.

Well, you just said it yourself, personality

9:04 PM

Character, personality, identity

Identity, person, headmate?

I would classify a tulpa as more than a character because a character is a pattern of behavior but a tulpa is actual action and non-pattern behavior as well. Your understanding of who the are adapts to their behavior at times. (edited)

of course, a character is just a general type of thoughtform (i.e. anything with a collection of human personality traits) and a tulpa is a fairly specific type of thoughtform (i.e. a character + associations with real life)

9:13 PM

but in the same way as you can switch with a tulpa, you can switch with a character, as in acting

Raptoir

but in the same way as you can switch with a tulpa, you can switch with a character, as in acting

Good point, I hadn't looked at it like that before

The disparity between the views on this server and others I'm on has been extra jarring to me lately. I'm not sure how to put my thoughts together on this and I'm also busy. But the different treatment of tulpas vs hosts irks me. "Tulpas are just characters" this is not said about hosts and singlets except as some sort of after thought like "oh yeah technically hosts are characters too." Like I said, no one goes around calling people in the streets characters. If the "character" is just living life and paying the bills, are they still just a character?

9:39 PM

And if you make a "tulpa" but just treat them as a character you take out now and then before stuffing them back on the shelf for weeks or months... well, are they even a tulpa? Are they ever going to develop to a point where they are more than something the host puppets around?

But the different treatment of tulpas vs hosts irks me. "Tulpas are just characters" this is not said about hosts and singlets

Oh but I feel like it is, Raptoir said this earlier too I think

9:41 PM

I feel like realizing "oh but I [the host] am also a character" can be one of the biggest benefits of tulpamancy

And if you make a "tulpa" but just treat them as a character you take out now and then before stuffing them back on the shelf for weeks or months... well, are they even a tulpa? Are they ever going to develop to a point where they are more than something the host puppets around?

@Yuka - jump Being skeptical about our capabilities doesn't make us less developed than tulpas of hosts who see their tulpas as completely different people. It doesn't make us more developed either to be honest. Anyway, I don't feel a puppet.

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Got pulled away for a bit.

10:07 PM

I guess for me, in the case of "character" as in a collection of traits and such, it's easier for me to use "identity" or "personality." I'm too used to thinking of "character" in the sense of fictional characters.

10:07 PM

But I'm used to the idea of not making big distinctions between host and headmates.

10:08 PM

What Yuka said about not calling people "characters" is basically how I feel.

Unfastened Belts

I feel like realizing "oh but I [the host] am also a character" can be one of the biggest benefits of tulpamancy

This this this

11:22 PM

But yeah I use these words interchangeably, I think it's pretty silly to assign some specialness to one in particular

Unfastened Belts

But the different treatment of tulpas vs hosts irks me. "Tulpas are just characters" this is not said about hosts and singlets

Oh but I feel like it is, Raptoir said this earlier too I think

Yes, this is my position as well, i'm not sure what they mean about this not being said generally. And I don't think it's just a technicality at all.

11:28 PM

Even outside a very buddhist interpretation of ego; It's always struck me as relatively basic knowledge that anything a host can do a tulpa can do and vice versa.

Why do you make difference between real people and characters? Yes, calling real people characters is awkward, but image of characters in your brain is same as image of irl people except one flag that says "irl prototype of this image exist physically". I personally dont even make that difference and just say "they exist not in our universe". So real people aren't characters, but characters as well aren't characters. And when it comes to tulpas - since they have physical hardware they are running on, and aren't different to host in any way - how can they be seen not real? Where and what am i missing?

If someone creates a tulpa based on character, and believes tulpa is character itself, their tulpa will believe that too, and when tulpa actions will not line with that characters image host have, host will change that image to match what tulpa is doing. Or what? Have you seen such cases? And if host is aware that tulpa can be only based of character he will create another image for tulpa and acknowledge tulpa as different being, leaving character image untouched. Right? I feel im very wrong somewhere

it's common for fictives to gradually gain their own identity.

9:23 AM

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "when tulpa actions will not line with that characters image host have, host will change that image to match what tulpa is doing"

9:25 AM

Usually the host realizes that his companion is not the same as a source character. And even they don't know it from the start and expect tulpa to be exactly the same, they eventuality accept tulpa deviating from it. (edited)

Yeah that makes sense. I just imagined unrealistic case where host dont realise that. Okay.

it's possible but I think it's rare. Eventually one should realize it at least on logical level. It's possible that one might struggle to accept in on emotional level too.

9:36 AM

I think I remember such a case of a Link fictive who clearly had that kind of problem.

Oh but i think wide known image of tulpamancy is someone talking to anime girl or whatever, and then you are told it is possible to start off with character but eventually.... I mean, "you can make you favourite character real" advertising was lie all along.

9:40 AM

Well not exactly

one should realize that a lot of people can make the same character real

9:42 AM

I still can see a lot of people with Rainbow Dash or Pinkie Pie tulpas.

Oh! That guy that married Miku - did he had her as tulpa?

@Genry_the_frog - jump from what I have heard about the case, he hadn't experienced her as an imaginary companion.

Oh

Sora Faux

I still can see a lot of people with Rainbow Dash or Pinkie Pie tulpas.

Im not sure how to feel about that

Well, it still won't convince everyone that their tulpa is not the "real" character.

9:49 AM

In community of my native language I have met a guy who thinks that his tulpa is a real Princess Cadence and he is a reincarnation of Shining Armor. A real case of reverse isekai.

Sora Faux

Well, it still won't convince everyone that their tulpa is not the "real" character.

Also i see how that can be traumatizing for someone

9:49 AM

Like for that guy

9:49 AM

Lol

9:50 AM

I shouldn't be laughing at that, im no better, but still oof

that guy is just hopeless, not just by being a wannabe reverse isekai protagonist, tbh.

9:51 AM

Feel free to laugh

By the way, it's also possible for tulpa to absorb the identity of a fictional character after she's made.

10:02 AM

we like doing it in our system. To steal an identity of a character we can identify with somehow.

10:03 AM

I wonder if any man of culture recognizes a character in my pfp I also share a name with.

That's definitely not from some hentai anime. Right? Right?!

Sora Faux

By the way, it's also possible for tulpa to absorb the identity of a fictional character after she's made.

Explain please

Oh no

That's definitely not from some hentai anime. Right? Right?!

@Genry_the_frog - jump Nope, it's not from a hentai. ~~Judecca comes from a hentai VN though~~

Based ngl

Tulpa can change their appearance and name to match a fictional character after she's made.

I know someone who is very glad I didn't do that

She can even be made as a fictive of one character, to become a fictive of another one later.

Well we gotta go to school, goodbye

Sora Faux

Tulpa can change their appearance and name to match a fictional character after she's made.

Well like act someone? Or you mean actually become char on regular basis?

like use their name and appearance.

10:22 AM

a tulpa can change their name and their appearance freely if they want to.

10:23 AM

why not pick those from character they like?

Just asked mine because she took name of a character, not one i initially gave her and she said she want not to pretend to be that character, but just took name because she thought they are similar

Cool. Same case with me.

10:27 AM

my form was already similar before I changed my name to Sora.

!VoidyVoid! |34LD|

Well we gotta go to school, goodbye

Phones are disallowed in your school or you are such a responsible student? Should i be ashamed for using mine during lections lol.

Yuka

The disparity between the views on this server and others I'm on has been extra jarring to me lately. I'm not sure how to put my thoughts together on this and I'm also busy. But the different treatment of tulpas vs hosts irks me. "Tulpas are just characters" this is not said about hosts and singlets except as some sort of after thought like "oh yeah technically hosts are characters too." Like I said, no one goes around calling people in the streets characters. If the "character" is just living life and paying the bills, are they still just a character?

I said this on Tulpa Nexus in a different conversation but I think it applies here as well:

I have a little theory about SOC definitions and switching. If you believe the SOC is the host, switching is becoming your tulpa. If you believe the SOC is just part of the brain, switching is trading places with your tulpa.

This is still just an assumption based on what I have seen people describe, and this doesn't include wonderland switching. With that, I think if it's real, it's a little more complicated

It's possible that more tulpamancers here would agree that the SOC = the host, and all identities (including the host identity, not to be confused for the SOC) are illusions, characters, etc. When you change the fundamental idea of what "I" means, you can have very different ideas on tulpamancy. Regardless, I don't think this is a bad thing. I think diversity in opinions is better than not. (edited)

I wouldn't use the term host for the former. I'd use the term front or even just brain.

1:36 PM

SOC = the host

For this specifically

Interesting, I thought you would have the other opinion on that

1:38 PM

Oh wait, I didn't include my definition for SOC, oops

1:39 PM

I am aware some define "host" to also be the stream of consciousness *(SOC), or that feeling of being alive, looking through the eyes, feeling your environment, etc. In tulpamancy, it makes sense to assume that all identities are just a perspective this SOC can have. However, with DID (I don't know about OSDD), to my understanding even the literal SOC can get goofy. You may not have one overarching SOC simply due the amnesia barriers.

*Added in acronym for clarity (edited)

What's a SOC?

It's the thing you wear on your feet under your shoes

Haha.

3:55 PM

Oh now I see.

I use SOC as an acronym for "stream of consciousness". I don't use it as an abbreviation for sock

I know what you meant but I really like the idea of abbreviating sock as "SOC" S ock O sock C sock

Ah, I see

Genry_the_frog

Phones are disallowed in your school or you are such a responsible student? Should i be ashamed for using mine during lections lol.

Not college, and they have to stay in our lockers

!VoidyVoid! |34LD|

Yellow means I'm fronting, yellow and purple means I'm spending meaningful time with joey, and blue means Joey is fronting

Good idea.

12:35 PM

Created woolen blue ring to stir chaos in the minds of the uninitiated. (edited)

12:37 PM

(Send sd reader and I'll post.)

I want a tulpa and i feel like i would have a great time with it but at the same time i dont want a tulpa (edited)

NiQsterVX

I want a tulpa and i feel like i would have a great time with it but at the same time i dont want a tulpa (edited)

Solution: become the tulpa.

Webworm

Solution: become the tulpa.

Theoretically you are the tulpa

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Solution: become the tulpa.

@Webworm - jump please stop joking to newbies in tulpa related channels.

Its fine

Sora Faux

Solution: become the tulpa.

@Webworm - jump please stop joking to newbies in tulpa related channels.

There wasn't so much to go on, so I responded equally-silly~. (edited)

5:58 PM

So, what do you want in a tulpa? (edited)

Webworm

So, what do you want in a tulpa? (edited)

You mean their traits and overall behavior?

5:59 PM

Or what

NiQsterVX

You mean their traits and overall behavior?

What do you plan to gain?

I want a tulpa and i feel like i would have a great time with it but at the same time i dont want a tulpa

@NiQsterVX - jump Before committing you should think it over. You can withdraw later if it isn't for you by just stopping interactions with a character but it's good to be aware of what you expect and if it's feasible to achieve.

I'm just wondering why you don't